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Discussion for Today
[edit]- This page is transcluded from Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024_November_18
November 18
[edit]NEW NOMINATIONS
[edit]Category:Fictional extraterrestrial robots
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:NONDEF as, while they are a character type that appears from time to time, there does not seem to be something defining about the combination of extraterrestrial and robot in particular. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 08:03, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, as the categories are well-populated, and it is worth distinguishing bots of alien origin from home-grown ones. – Fayenatic London 09:17, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, I'll bite - I will gladly withdraw this if you can show evidence of the defining nature of an extraterrestrial robot. Heck, if it really is notable, Extraterrestrial robots in fiction would seem like a cool article for me to write. I'm just not seeing it right now though, and that is just an assertion. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:35, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I fail to see how characters types are not defining. Dimadick (talk) 19:11, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Dimadick: Being an alien as a character type is defining. Being a robot or cyborg is also defining. However, this is questioning whether being both at the same time is also defining, which is wholly different and not just "a single character type". ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:25, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 21:17, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:English Olympic medallists
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: As per the recent deletion of Category:Californian Olympic medalists based on the fact that California and England and Scotland and Wales do not field Olympic teams, this category should be deleted. This came up in the discussion on California by editor @Marcocapelle:. Fyunck(click) (talk) 03:19, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Category:Scottish Olympic competitors etc. Those should probably be nominated too, but in the meantime it is a valid location for all the medalists. Crowsus (talk) 11:33, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. A merge is not needed because the articles are already in Category:Olympic gold medallists for Great Britain etc. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:09, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- If not kept, it should be merged, because Scottish Olympic competitors is not nested within Olympic gold medallists for Great Britain. For the record, I do not think that California and England are comparable subdivisions.SMasonGarrison 16:27, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- Me neither, and Scotland has a list on the topic, but to be fair the principle of a territory within an Olympic entity is the same. Crowsus (talk) 16:31, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- They may not be identical but they are comparable. They are not nations by any stretch and do not compete in the Olympics. I wouldn't be surprised if California has more medals than Great Britain.... certainly England. Fyunck(click) (talk) 04:58, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- "They are not nations by any stretch" - are you sure? They do not compete separately in the Olympics so it sets an unwanted precedent for categorisation which potentially opens doors for other such entities like US states, Australian states, Spanish autonomous communities with over-enthusiastic nationalist editors eager to create Catalan xyz and Basque abc for everything, that much we can agree on. Crowsus (talk) 10:43, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- I'm sure. Different places use states, countries, etc, as interchangeable terms. They don't have passports either, just like California doesn't. Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:42, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- "They are not nations by any stretch" - are you sure? They do not compete separately in the Olympics so it sets an unwanted precedent for categorisation which potentially opens doors for other such entities like US states, Australian states, Spanish autonomous communities with over-enthusiastic nationalist editors eager to create Catalan xyz and Basque abc for everything, that much we can agree on. Crowsus (talk) 10:43, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- They may not be identical but they are comparable. They are not nations by any stretch and do not compete in the Olympics. I wouldn't be surprised if California has more medals than Great Britain.... certainly England. Fyunck(click) (talk) 04:58, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- Me neither, and Scotland has a list on the topic, but to be fair the principle of a territory within an Olympic entity is the same. Crowsus (talk) 16:31, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- If not kept, it should be merged, because Scottish Olympic competitors is not nested within Olympic gold medallists for Great Britain. For the record, I do not think that California and England are comparable subdivisions.SMasonGarrison 16:27, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I think we need to be more explicit to get consensus (in other words, list out all merge targets explicitly :D). There is clear consensus in this discussion that the categories should not exist, however.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 21:12, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:National Hockey League goaltenders who have scored in a game
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: While interesting, this is WP:TRIVIAL. User:Namiba 20:57, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:PWHL
[edit]- Propose merging Category:PWHL Minnesota to Category:Minnesota Frost
- Propose merging Category:PWHL Minnesota coaches to Category:Minnesota Frost coaches
- Propose merging Category:PWHL Minnesota players to Category:Minnesota Frost players
- Propose merging Category:PWHL Minnesota seasons to Category:Minnesota Frost seasons
- Propose renaming Category:PWHL Montreal seasons to Category:Montreal Victoire seasons
- Propose renaming Category:PWHL Montreal to Category:Montreal Victoire
- Propose renaming Category:PWHL Montreal players to Category:Montreal Victoire players
- Propose renaming Category:PWHL Montreal coaches to Category:Montreal Victoire coaches
- Propose renaming Category:PWHL Boston to Category:Boston Fleet
- Propose renaming Category:PWHL Boston coaches to Category:Boston Fleet coaches
- Propose renaming Category:PWHL Boston players to Category:Boston Fleet players
- Propose renaming Category:PWHL Boston seasons to Category:Boston Fleet seasons
- Propose renaming Category:PWHL New York to Category:New York Sirens
- Propose renaming Category:PWHL New York coaches to Category:New York Sirens coaches
- Propose renaming Category:PWHL New York players to Category:New York Sirens players
- Propose renaming Category:PWHL New York seasons to Category:New York Sirens seasons
- Propose renaming Category:PWHL Ottawa to Category:Ottawa Charge
- Propose renaming Category:PWHL Ottawa coaches to Category:Ottawa Charge coaches
- Propose renaming Category:PWHL Ottawa players to Category:Ottawa Charge players
- Propose renaming Category:PWHL Ottawa seasons to Category:Ottawa Charge seasons
- Propose renaming Category:PWHL Toronto to Category:Toronto Sceptres
- Propose renaming Category:PWHL Toronto coaches to Category:Toronto Sceptres coaches
- Propose renaming Category:PWHL Toronto players to Category:Toronto Sceptres players
- Propose renaming Category:PWHL Toronto seasons to Category:Toronto Sceptres seasons
- Nominator's rationale: The PWHL played its first season without permanent names but each team has since adopted one. These are the same franchises in the same places and same personnel. An attempt to speedy the renaming was declined. User:Namiba 20:41, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- I would rather keep the categories separate, such as with Category:Mighty Ducks of Anaheim players and Category:Anaheim Ducks players. Wheatzilopochtli (talk) 20:56, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Pubs in the Isle of Man
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Category containing only a single article about a defunct pub which is now a private residence. Not helpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 15:19, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:12, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Former pubs in Devon
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Former pubs in Devon to Category:Former pubs in England
- Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation. Better categorised within parent. AusLondonder (talk) 15:15, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge, also to Category:Pubs in Devon. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:15, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Charities based in Gibraltar
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Charities based in Gibraltar to Category:Organisations based in Gibraltar
- Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation and better categorised within the parent. AusLondonder (talk) 13:55, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge, also to Category:Charities based in Europe. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:18, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Maps of Gibraltar
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Maps of Gibraltar to Category:Images of Gibraltar
- Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single image and a module. Unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 13:34, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:19, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Dunes of Gibraltar
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Dunes of Gibraltar to Category:Landforms of Gibraltar
- Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single article that would be better categorised within the parent category. Unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 13:17, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge, also to Category:Dunes of Europe. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:21, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Venues of the Bundesvision Song Contest
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCVENUE (also see Bundesvision Song Contest for background/nature of the specific competition/event). (All articles in the cat are sufficiently categorized otherwise.) Felida97 (talk) 12:46, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:22, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete While I'm open minded about categorizing one-time events by venue, categorizing venues by every event just leads to category clutter. - RevelationDirect (talk) 19:26, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:FA Cup final venues
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCVENUE. (All articles within are sufficiently categorized otherwise.) Felida97 (talk) 12:08, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:23, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete While I'm open minded about categorizing one-time events by venue, categorizing venues by every event just leads to category clutter. - RevelationDirect (talk) 19:26, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:2017 FIFA U-17 World Cup venues
[edit]- Propose merging Category:2017 FIFA U-17 World Cup venues to Category:Football venues in India
- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCVENUE. (Side note: Merging would empty Category:FIFA U-17 World Cup stadiums, which only contains the discussed cat.) Felida97 (talk) 11:35, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Just saw that, apart from one, all articles were/are already in Category:Football venues in India and/or one of the more specific location subcats. I've just categorized the remaining one, so this might as well be considered a nomination for deletion. Felida97 (talk) 11:57, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:24, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Per Felida97's clarification and WP:OCVENUE. - RevelationDirect (talk) 19:25, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:2021 FIFA Futsal World Cup venues
[edit]- Propose merging Category:2021 FIFA Futsal World Cup venues to Category:Futsal venues
- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCVENUE. Felida97 (talk) 11:25, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete These articles all seem like basketball venues that happened to have had a futsal event. (Not opposed to merge if that's the consensus, but leaning toward a straight delete.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 19:23, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per previous comment. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:27, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Journalists from Tirana
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Journalists from Tirana to Category:Writers from Tirana
- Nominator's rationale: Category with just one entry. Lost in Quebec (talk) 09:47, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:29, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Interscope-Geffen-A&M artists
[edit]- Nominator's rationale: An editor emptied this long-standing category, created a new category, and then turned this category into a redirect to the new category. They should have gone for a speedy rename instead. I'm hoping that these two categories can undergo a history merge so that the page history of the original category is merged to the newer category. Liz Read! Talk! 03:55, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: It was a bad decision to create a new category and redirect the old one to another without proper consent as per
WP:CFD. In thought, it had to match the article name, which is why it happened, again without proper administration request. Apologies. Darrion N. Brown 🙂 (my talk page / my sandbox) 04:05, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- I accidentally added the wrong target as it was actually "speedy deletion". I meant to say WP:CFD (for "discussion"). Darrion N. Brown 🙂 (my talk page / my sandbox) 04:07, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: It was a bad decision to create a new category and redirect the old one to another without proper consent as per
- Keep page history of the nominated category, per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:55, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Puerto Rican Freemasons
[edit]- Propose merging Category:Puerto Rican Freemasons to Category:American Freemasons
- Nominator's rationale: We don't have Category:American Freemasons by state or territory so why does this exist? Mach61 00:58, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, underpopulated category. I would not object to having this category when it would contain a handful of articles at least. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:59, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Puerto Rico's history existed long before the United States conquered it. It is part of Category:Freemasons by nationality, which is a well-established scheme. Note that I have populated the category (5 articles) and created Category:Freemasonry in Puerto Rico.--User:Namiba 20:59, 18 November 2024 (UTC)